I'm Tom Roland and this is the Tom Roland podcast hey everybody this is Tom Roland and today's show features a good friend of mine Myles Berghoff Myles Berghoff is the co-host of Sweetwater television with Joey Nanaia and these guys travel all over the place and fish for mostly freshwater fish but some saltwater miles and I have a good conversation about how he got started what the world of sponsorship looks like how does somebody get into this world what are the most common questions that people are asking both of us and a little bit of advice both given to us by mentors that have really played a big part in the success that we've both had in the in the fishing world and in the sponsorship world and just understanding that world and seeing what it is that as an angler we're trying to accomplish to best serve the sponsor a lot of people don't quite understand that and luckily we both had some good mentors that that helped us out along the way so that knowledge is shared as well as what miles does on the road what he listens to how a bass fisherman travels around the country is it lonely you bet is it sometimes boring probably very often but this conversation is not boring miles is a good conversationalist it likes to laugh and have a good time I learned a few things from this so we will get to that right after this this episode is brought to you by waypoint TV waypoint TV is an online platform where you can get your favorite hunting and fishing shows for free on any device at any time you can literally go there and find the device that you want and there's either an app or you can download the app onto your smart TV or to your Apple TV you can get it on your phone your tablet Android Apple doesn't matter this is available all over the place and the inventory of shows that they have is really getting to be impressive sure films and some of the best saltwater freshwater fly-fishing you name it it's on there Plus hunting and it's free so go to Waypoint tvcom check it out download the app do whatever you need to to get it on your favorite device and start watching your shows quit be viewing them quit staying home on Saturday morning actually go fishing on Saturday morning that's a novel idea you could actually go fishing instead of sitting at home watching your fishing shows then you can watch your fish and shows when you're going you know to work in the uber on the subway wherever you're going these things are available to you so check out waypoint tv

com and find out how you want to watch your favorite outdoor shows and then start Benjen in your way so today's episode with miles burghoff starts now everybody meet miles burghoff so tonight I'm sitting here at my house with one of my friends and this guy and I have been working together for a few years he is a tournament bass fisherman and an all-around good guy that came into my life because we started a new project so a lot of people know that we do saltwater experience some people know that we also produce a show called into the blue and even the smaller group of people might know that we also my company also does a show called sweet water and sweet water is a bass fishing show primarily but a freshwater show that tackles all different kinds of fish last year I think they fish for pike and muskie and smallmouth bass largemouth bass crappie anything trout a freshwater show so saltwater experience is the show that I'm on with rich we fish in in Florida primarily and shallow flats for redfish permit tarpon bone fish sharks those kind of fish there's an offshore kind of offshoot of that show called into the blue with Steve Roger and Scott Walker and they fish offshore for you know the fish that they like to catch sailfish tuna dolphin all kinds of stuff offshore and then we also serve another part of the market with the with the freshwater show so I was tasked a few years ago I guess it's four years ago now that this is a this is a project that we wanted to tackle rich and I talked about it we thought about okay what is a show that we should do and we thought freshwater show would be a excellent so I was tasked with finding we're creating a list coming up with a list of people that might be good host for this show I thought about one guy immediately that I had spent a weekend with traveling young guy full of excitement and energy just on fire for the sport on fire for fishing and his name was Joey Narnia and Joey and I had traveled all around Mobile Alabama over to Louisiana to to do these Bass Pro Shop seminars and I got spent a lot of time in the car with him I was very impressed with Joey so Joey was on on the list and I looked around met with quite a few other bass fisherman talk to one of my friends Louis Whalen who is a mentor of mine from Oakley Lewis was my first first sponsor that really took an interest in in me and developing me as a as someone who could know anything about sponsorship Louis was very very patient with me and really I learned a ton about sponsorship what companies are looking for what how I can be of a good servant and do a good job for a sponsor so when Lewis tells me that he knows somebody that I might want to talk to I'm listening and Lewis tells me he gives me one name he says Myles Berghoff he says Myles is your guy that's that's it that's your guy so when I heard that I was like okay well if you're telling me that that this guy is my guy then I'm gonna check it out so I went and made a phone call to my house miles was excited about the opportunity I went fish with him and I was equally as impressed with Myles so it's fun to have Myles here he drove the big hook wrapped truck right up into my driveway we went out to dinner tonight and Myles is in the house tonight Myles Berghoff it's good to be here all right all right long long introduction to to how we got started working together but but that's really that's really how it went down making me blush man that's actually hearing it from you the story about Lewis yeah I mean I have the utmost respect for Lewis and I was working with the Oakley big bass to her and that's how I got to know Lewis and I got to know some of the guys that like quantum and and I guess there there were another Briony that you talked to you yes Lewis Bagby and and John Coon Eric both yeah Lewis to have his seal of approval that's that's a big deal yeah well you know Louis to me you you have a few people in your life that that come into your life at a certain time and really teach you something yeah so during the great outdoor games I went fishing in in New York of all places I'm trout fishing in New York and and I look over at this guy that I'm fishing with and he's got these glasses on and I said what kind of glasses are those he said these are oakley's they're the frog skin I don't know if you remember the Frog skin version it was their first pair of polarized glasses and they kind of look like waar neighs they were like yeah yeah they're different real kind of wild really a fishing style yeah and I was like really let me see those so put him on and I was like man I'm calling I get back so I didn't have any sort of sunglass sponsor and I really liked the Oakley glasses so I called him and Lois was was my god that's who I got in touch with and and the first thing he said to me he said well I'll be happy to talk to you but fishing really didn't on TV too much is it yeah and I said well actually actually it is and actually I just was in this this thing called the ESPN great outdoor games isn't it was on ABC and it was on ESPN and it was in front of 17 million people and I happened to win and he was like really I didn't know that that it was on TV that much and he goes well here's what you need to do you need to just send me an email on everything that you're doing and I said you just want me to send an email on everything I'm doing and he said yeah you just you just go ahead and just write down whatever you're doing send me an email and so Louis became my journal yeah I mean these emails to Louis became became I don't know why I felt so open about doing this with him but I he assured me he's like look man I want to know everything you're doing and if we have any future together you need to tell me everything that you're doing and I was like okay so I'd do a radio interview I come home and I'm like Louis did a radio interview today talked about you know this and this and this and and it was on this this you know radio station in the Florida Keys and then this one I did one with ESPN and the business and so I'm writing down all this stuff and over the over the years I look back on those days and him telling me you know well that's great that you did that but it really doesn't help me at all yeah yeah this over here that you did and you didn't think was helping anything this free seminar that you did now that is really good you need to keep doing more things like that but what what happened with my time with Louis is that he he really taught me that you can go and do anything that you want to but if you don't tell your sponsors about it it really has no no benefit to them you know that's something that Louis taught me a lot too and but at the time when I when I first met him I was real green yeah and I still I am I mean I guess we all are really you know we're all learning but Louis automatically just struck me as somebody like I need to listen to this guy like and he's he's actually listening to me and he sees it higher up on the Oakley you know staff and so he started telling me about the same things that you're talking about and yeah you know I wish I you till eyes that communication more I see that that was a mistake yeah I'm kind of a perfectionist you know and that can that can be one of the your biggest struggles with a lot of different things that you do whether it's social media content or or just anything you do for for sponsors because I would be like oh you know I did this little seminar I was only like 20 people there yeah I don't think lewis wants to know about that over the time I kind of regret not communicating more with him about the little things because that he's willing he was willing to listen and I was willing to give me advice based on you know my progress yeah well I think in sponsorship it's important to let everyone know what you're doing and today it's easier than ever with social media but if you're doing a seminar with 20 people there's nothing to be ashamed of now they're not doing absolutely twenty people there are a lot of guys that don't do a seminar with 20 people in their entire career yeah like that's certainly nothing to be ashamed of in some seminars you're gonna have 20 PLN some seminars you're gonna have 200 people and some of the ones that you're gonna have two or three people show up those are actually the most important because those guys are gonna go on and say hey you know how was it this just random sport show and you see that guy on TV right there I saw I was a sports show and I sat there and talked to him for 45 minutes about knots and he just sat there and talked to me right like that's what a lot of people will remember and you can actually turn somebody's fish career around you can turn whatever around or you can just be a decent guy and spend a little time with somebody answer a few questions but you know those are the things that that sponsors often are very very interested in and Luis also gave me a piece of advice and I think it was Louis maybe a show grigsby I don't know both those guys at the same time it's hard to get Louis and Shaw Grigsby but at the time both of them were equally as influential on my on my fishing career that you are worth your audience you are yeah you are worth the size of your audience and that's something that always stuck with me and so back then there's before the internet it was before social media or anything like that certainly before websites even that so I just said okay well if I need to increase my audience I need more customers on the boat I need to write articles I need to take photographs I need to do free seminars I need to do paid seminars I need to do tournaments I need to do all of these things that everyone one of those things was a way of of creating a larger audience yeah today there's even more ways to create a larger audience and some people are really super good at it some people are are not as good at it but but today there's more and more ways each of them is is important and influential to yes authorship but yeah I learned a lot about Lois or I learned a lot from Lois even another thing that we may get into it later but fishing with Lois I learned a lesson about myself 15 years after it after this event had happened I learned a lesson about myself that that brought a lot of things very clear I'll tell you about it another time but very interesting good times back then so miles tell us about where do you come from how do you end up sitting on this couch right here talking to us man what a story I'm gonna mean you know it's it's amazing how you know life works and if you really want something how it happens as long as you just keep yourself in it keep the pressure on and it just kind of develops it's not exactly the plan that you want it to be because you know it's it's unpredictable but in the end it's a it kind of is exactly where you want to be but it essentially you know when I was to start at the very beginning grew up down in the Florida Keys that's where I love to learn how to love to fish yeah marathon and so did some saltwater fishing down there yeah I loved it down there and wait why were you in the Florida Keys for what what brought your family to the floor my dad bought a house down there he just liked to live in Florida and and so we moved down there and this is this is your dad's retired at this point he's retired that was way after the show so for the listeners that don't know my dad my dad played a radar on mash yeah my nicknames sonar that's a radar and sonar love it yeah son of radar and so after mass you know he wanted to retire down there and so we moved down there it didn't end up being his end location but it sure did give me a start in in fishing and I absolutely just I was eight up with a man and then after that we actually have a house in Connecticut so we'd go up there and and that was on a freshwater lake and I remember catching my very first bass it was a beautiful thing man at least I think it was my first bass you know when you're little you may have caught some more but there was one that really just stuck with me it was a smallmouth bass and I had this little lure that they used to sell at this this tackle shop called Nichol sporting goods it was essentially this plastic a lure that had a little pull string so when he cast it out these little legs would clap together on the surface ya know really and it was it was awesome and I mean I got a kick out of that but I remember casting that thing out there and the thing went to work you know and it was shaking its legs and then all of a sudden this just giant explosion when you're kid it's just anything's big yeah and it ended up being like it's a three pound smallmouth bass and it was like the coolest thing and ever since then I mean I threw all the Dorado all the wahoo it's stuff that I was catching with my dad off shore and the keys and I was like I want to go the tournament bass fish or you know at that time it was just bass fishing right and then I learned to tournaments and so I've been tournament fishing you know since high school and decided to move back to Florida go to school in Florida I picked a school based on the its proximity to lakes that I want to fish and then and then just you know I just I had it in my mind that I was going to achieve my dream of becoming a professional fisherman and I moved into a trailer during that whole college year you know eight year period so I could stay close to I could keep my overhead low stay close to the lakes that I wanted to fish and and kind of have focus you know I didn't want to be out partying all the time which would have been nice it was it was actually a kind of I had some lonely periods but it was yeah but it worked out in the longer that was like the the best experience and and just the simple act of of continuing to put that pressure on and stay out there and continue to network with people you know I'd go to the Bassmaster Classic I'd wear the best clothes that I could possibly afford because I knew that I'd stand out against all these other guys that are that are going to these these trade shows and they're just wearing sneakers and stuff I knew that I'd look just different than the other guys that were approaching them young young guys and so I just kept on going to these shows I'd get to meet people and then that just you know started I started building relationships and it wasn't like I was sending these applications off for sponsorships it just it just kind of organically happened because they saw that I was there I was willing to work I knew the hustle yeah I was trying hard and so and then sooner or later I got a call from a guy named Mark Jones he's he him and a guy named Keith Odom they run the Oakley big master which is now the the the Bass Pro Shops big bastard they had got my name from somebody else they wanted me to host their show for in they I did it for two years and that's where I met that's where I met Louis and then Louis you know got me in touch with you right and so it just comes full circle and it's a beautiful thing because it's like you know you work so hard all these years to you know get someplace and it's and it's not exactly where you think you're gonna be I actually thought that I didn't want to have my own fishing show like I was just like I just want to focus on tournaments I don't want to be to have my focus you know split up between several different things I want to get you know go tournament fishing right that's it and then all of a sudden I get these opportunities and I find out something in myself that I'm just like I really enjoy this yeah you know and so it's it's really cool it works yeah that's uh that's funny I want to talk about the sponsorship thing hmm because one thing that I run into all the time and probably I would say of the top three subjects that I received messages on emails or questions when we're at a sports show or whatever revolve around sponsorship revolve around someone who wants to get to a certain place feels like sponsorship is necessary has no idea how to get there and you know sometimes there's just not enough time to really to really put towards giving someone the information that they really need right I want to because it's good for that person usually a kid I want to because it's good for the industry it's good for the sponsors that I work with one thing that I run into a lot of times are individuals who feel as though they've caught some fish they're pretty good yeah maybe you want to turn him in or two and they deserve sponsorship wrong right that's what I think yeah wrong dead wrong now absolutely and then it was a hard lesson for me to learn and it happened during the time that we were fishing in the redfish tournament so our tournament experience starts in the Florida Keys where it's a different type of tournament it's it's a guide who gets booked by a tournament these tournaments started as a way to fill in some slow time for the guides right so a September tournament is generally a very very slow time so they started doing these tournaments that would bring anglers to the keys to have some fun to fish in a tournament and then the guide gets a little work it also happens to be a charity event which was a beautiful thing cystic fibrosis the redbone tournaments and he raised huge amounts of money for for cystic fibrosis it was a wonderful thing and it also happens at a time where that's that's your son are going off yeah turn that on it actually sounds like sonar yeah what it's by design anyway these these tournaments would happen at a time where it was really good for the guides it injects money into the local economy but basically it is two guys fishing on the front of a boat a guide on the back of the boat skiff tournaments mostly and it's really designed to raise money for charity and and give these guys a an opportunity of fish yeah give the guide an opportunity to work well just like any other type of a thing that starts that way yeah it becomes competitive very very quickly right like you you know it's a reputation thing you don't win money but you win you win a reputation so if you are constantly the guy that is winning those things you are going to end up getting a little bit more of an audience this is before the internet you know when this is all happening like I was saying so it was an excellent way for your name to be at the top of that scoreboard if you had anglers that could fish so that's one type of tournament then that then we graduate to another type of tournament which is a professional caliber tournament more like what you're used to fishing in where you're fishing for money and you're moving around and that was in the redfish tournament so in these redfish tournaments I learned my lesson about sponsorship in that it was definitely not about how many tournaments you win if you win tournaments that is excellent but what is the most important is putting on an absolute positive impression for whoever it is that your representative impression comes in a lot of different ways the the condition of your gear you know how clean is your truck you know are you driving like a madman down the road with all these sponsor people all over your car or are you being a hundred percent professional are you saying hello to every little kid that you see are you waiting in line patiently at the boat ramp are you doing free seminars during the tournament are you doing them before the tournament are you doing them after the tournament and it became really really obvious to me that an angler who never wins a tournament but does a lot of free seminars or paid seminars or writes articles is way more valuable than a guy that wins a few tournaments here and there and I think that's a very tough thing to get across to someone who feels like men well Kevin VanDam get sponsored because he wins all these tournaments yeah true but he's he's one of the hardest-working guys if not the hardest-working guy in the bass yeah that's industry maybe even just fishing in general I believe it and I know Kevin and he's a he's I don't know him very well but I know him by reputation and I've run into him at many quantum events where we're you know we're sponsored by a number of the same sponsors and we have run into one another and I'm always very impressed with his work ethic that's what everyone always says about Kevin and what Kevin also will impress you with right away he's a humble guy really is never gonna walk past someone with his head held high and doesn't have time for this guy then which there he's the most sponsored fisherman because he always has time for someone here's my perspective on the whole sponsor thing and I've learned the hard way like everybody else has my perspective is that as anglers if you want to make a living as a professional angler quote-unquote you have to be in the mindset that you're an ambassador period you're not a tournament angler because nobody wants to pay you just to go fish tournaments they're paying you to be an ambassador for the sport get people excited about fishing teach him how to fish and in turn that's gonna help the industry it's good they're people are gonna buy product and go fishing and that's exactly what you need to do and you do that through seminars you do it through writing it's just whatever it is nowadays it's social media social media is a big thing getting people excited you always want to have a positive attitude about everything that you do spin everything in a positive I mean because you don't want to turn anybody off you don't want to be negative about it sponsors don't like that no everybody likes that they're in this business to make money it's business and there's nothing that in the in the the company handbook that says that they have to sponsor somebody they could put their money somewhere else and the reason that that they this sponsorship is as something that the companies do and they do put a substantial amount of budget towards is because anglers are the only real platform to get other anglers excited about fishing and bring more people into the sport and buy more product and so that's that's one thing one thing I always because I get the same question you know I with the limited success that I've had and its keeps on growing and I'm real humbled by it I get a lot of questions about sponsorship and first thing I tell somebody is don't worry about it don't worry about sponsorship right now focus on fishing because when you're when you enjoy what you do people are gonna notice right good and focus on fishing first networking second networking is huge staying professional and just meeting people don't don't be soliciting for sponsorships all over the place because the most meaningful sponsorships are the most meaningful partnerships getting your own show you know with with Joey of course you know you guys approaching me that all happened organically I didn't send you guys an application for you know as first Sweetwater it it just happened because I realized that I just need to focus on my fishing and enjoying what I'm doing and and providing a very positive atmosphere for the people around me right and and you know well well the reason that that something like that happens in my opinion is because you paid your dues and you had been paying your dues for many many years so that when that opportunity does happen like flipping cards on a deck when that card comes up you're the first person that anybody thinks about yeah right and so you know and and obviously there's some serendipity or some some you know networking is excellent you know Louis I know Louis Louis I asked Louis I'm thinking enough about about this project and I start asking everybody I know who you recommend well I got your name from two different people so obviously you've been putting your work in and you know you weren't expecting anything but that's what happens is because you were just doing it out of love for the sport you were doing it because you're you're trying to be a professional at this and your name comes up twice and certainly then there's one more step right that that you actually have to we have to get together and then all of the things that I hear have to be consistent with what I see right yeah and and that's exactly what happened so I'm really glad it did because I've everything joyed me to really enjoyed working with both you and and Joey and we've created something pretty cool I think I think John it's sweet water sweet water is yeah it's it's definitely I'm so happy that you gave me that sent me that email I was I remember when I was I was driving to the bank driving my wife to the bank we're dropping off the rent and I saw your your your email I'm like really who's Tom rolling and I looked you up on on on the internet because I'm gonna salt water guys so I didn't I didn't know the great Tom Roland and then and then I flew back to Alabama and we met for the first time and I was pretty nervous taking you out fishing we really sucked didn't catch much of anything huh but you know I'm glad that I made a good first impression now it was it was good and it was you know and and and and so that was great but you know the what do you think the hardest thing about shooting a TV show is the heart the hardest thing is by far leaving when the fish are biting yeah yes because you're not you catch as many fish as you need for the show and then you go do some some you know post some b-roll or you know something else you do some tips or something and for example we were we were just down at Toledo Bend last year and and film in a kayak episode and we got on um the most amazing shallow water bass fishing bite it was it was pretty amazing and then as soon as we caught enough fish for the show the you know the the camera guy you know the producer just said we're done ed he's just like we're good let's go in like no is it it's like it's so painful to leave fish when they're when they're biting like that but you know that's that's just that's just how it goes but that's a good problem to have it's not always like that film in a show because you essentially you know it on a regular fishing day if you catch ten fish on a filming day you're only gonna catch it about to probably yeah I'd say well why is that well number one I know why that is yeah you don't you know – well what you're saltwater guys so you got all kinds of stuff bite and you throw shrimp in the water and pretty much any sometimes now that's every sometimes you're right you know the the first thing is is there's a lot of moving parts when you're filming a show and so you've got the camera you've got we've got three camera guys and a photographer almost shoots and so we're trying to make sure that everybody's got the camera roll and the batteries aren't dead and sometimes the fish are schooling on the surface and and you can't make a cast you just can't make a cast until all those cam or at least a majority of them are and so that's really tough because you're you're essentially wasting a lot of time what quote-unquote wasting I mean it's obvious that we're we're producing some some good shows some good footage but it's you know it is frustrating because it takes a long time it's a it's a process in and overtime I mean this third year I've kind of learned to kind of tone down a little bit just kind of be there and just be ready to go fishing when when the cameras are up yeah you learn some patience yeah you definitely learn patience and so the bass fishing show is definitely different than the saltwater shows but there's also a tremendous amount of similarities there and so we got into shooting saltwater experience immediately on the heels of having some success in the redfish tournaments and which is very similar to the bass fish man the fish are there you better catch them because they're probably not going to be there in just a minute or this guy's gonna pull in on you and get them and those are probably the winning fish so you know it's it's hurry hurry hurry catch fish go as fast as you can to get there and and then you know as soon the second that you feel like this is not happening out you're gone because otherwise otherwise you you are actually wasting time whereas the television show man we learned pretty club pretty pretty quickly that it's not about catching a lot of fish no it's about covering one fish really well and if you go and get ahead of the camera boat and catch a world record it does not matter and it does not count yeah so but we had to do was was – all of a sudden it started making sense to us when he said it doesn't when when hop our producer says if you go out away from us and you catch a world record it doesn't count that really hit home with me because I went okay well that's just like if we're in a redfish tournament and we catch one that's 30 inches and the slot is is you know 27 inches you catch one that's 28 it doesn't matter if he weighs 15 pounds it doesn't count yeah so we put it all into tournament kind of into a tournament perspective of okay look the camera has to be there or there but they have to give us the thumbs-up and then we can catch them and when we do catch them with that thumb up that means it counted yeah so that's what we're after and if we go real fast and we break all the cameras and beat up all the camera guys then it doesn't count so the idea is we've got to go real slow we've got to get there we've got to let the cameras get in the right position and then we have to catch the fish I know that you leagues yeah but yeah it's it's harder but you know it's it's just something that you have to learn and and and it it doesn't come quickly and even of and we're 13 years into this and still you see a tailor a little bit further down there you immediately start after it yeah and and what we've learned though over over time is that if you are super patient these fish will allow you to do things that you never thought were possible mm-hmm and some of those things have resulted in some of the best shows that we've ever filmed and obviously some of the best Sweetwater shows that have ever been filmed as well and that is something like seeing a tailing fish or a school of fish in some way shape or form realizing that the light is not good from where you are right now or where the camera guy is and the camera guy says you know what would be great is if we were on the other side of that fish and you're like well you can't do that why well you're gonna scare them away well we've already got enough fish for the show so let's just try this and you're you know the fishermen sitting there going this is never ever gonna work so I'm just gonna sit down and eat a sandwich and you guys go around there and then you tell me if the fish is there and so they go way around very slowly and then they go hey he's still here doing the same thing really and so now we've gotten the camera on the other side of the fish and then we approach slowly throw you know right into the Sun they're looking on the other side of the fish looking down son perfect like right at us and those are some of the best shows the best shots we've ever gotten and and doing things that's why I like to have a producer who is not necessarily a fisherman yeah for that reason he's looking for art he's looking at the light and he's saying look man we can shoot it like this but it's gonna be it's gonna look like every other fish and show out yeah I want this thing to be really great we need to approach from the other side well that's gonna be really hard to do well I'm just telling you how to make a great show man that's that's how that's how the conversation goes around our shoot and then we're like okay well you know what we want to make a great show so we're gonna try this yeah with all expectation that it's going to fail and a lot of time most of that works actually it's kind of weird you know we have the same experience on Sweetwater it's it's like sometimes we question our professional you know yeah quality you know it I think probably payout he does because he's just like well you just do go over there and you know throw a frog I'm just like nah man they're not gonna hit a frog and they hit a frog but maybe they will yeah and if they will it'll be awesome yeah don't you find that that you know I find that as a fishing guide and as a television host as just a regular angler and as a tournament fisherman each one of these things has made me a better angler and a better you know a more complete angler because first of all in a tournament you're operating with time restrictions restrictions yeah your time restricted you are restricted on the type of tackle that you can use you're restricted on whether or not you can use live bait in some tournaments you're restricted on you know can you put a triple hook rig on there I don't know you're restricted there are rules yeah there are always rules so when you come around those rules and you you you you are successful within those rules yeah you have done something that you might not have done on another day if you were on a regular guide trip maybe you would have used live bait if you were or maybe you would have used an umbrella rig that was legally within the law mm-hmm but not in that tournament right yeah maybe maybe I don't know there's a there there may be a tournament where you can't fly fish yeah yeah I could fly fish or you can't a lot of times in the in the keys we'll have tournaments that um chumming is allowed in one tournament chumming is not allowed yet another tournament live bait is allowed in one tournament it's not allowed in another tournament so you get in that tournament you have to get in that frame of mind of okay well we're fly fishing all day in this tournament that's we're doing okay so if you're successful in that you're successful in ways that you might not have thought were possible in other ways when you are on a guide trip you are hit severely restricted sometimes by the skill level of your angler or the experience level of your angler but then you get that person to catch a very very difficult fish and it's this feeling this euphoric feeling of wow I overcame the situation yeah and now we've been successful and in the television world it is okay now I am dragging around one if not two other boats all of these people slamming hatches the cooler lid slamming it's loud and they're telling me that I can't fish the way that I need to fish to catch these fish yeah but I'm gonna do what they say we're gonna take their suggestions and then we're still going to be successful and when when those things happen it just makes me sit back and sometimes mostly it's a humbling situation going yeah I really thought I knew about this situation I really thought I knew what's going on here but obviously there are a lot of other ways too yeah just gonna cat it really it really does open up your eyes to you know the different you know the one thing that I think that I've taken away from film and sweetwater is I think I'm a more intuitive angler because of it and I think that's so important and it seems because of half because we're so far behind the curve when it comes to the amount of time the we're able to fish and how many cast we can get in you don't always leave the docket for it 4:00 am yeah we do but that we call it the cameras don't get up too late we fell it at a crack at noon fishing team yeah pretty much that's that's how it goes but what that forces you to do is you have to use your strengths yes and focus on your strengths you can't just you start doing some funky stuff that you that you read about in a magazine or a you know a book somewhere it's no time to really experiment and in many cases you can but what it forces you to do is it forces you to take out a lot of the science out of it yes it's that sounds like it's it kind of counterintuitive but really fish are very instinctual I mean that's that's all they have is their instincts that's what dictates their habits and once you kind of make things kind of simple and kind of focus on on the the simple tactics in your strengths it seems to work out a whole lot better like if you if you watch Sweetwater you notice that I throw a ChatterBait a lot yeah that's your thing throwing chatter Bates I is my thing because it works and I know it and I know how many different circumstances I can throw that thing in and and catch fish and that's that's the thing is I think that that that filming has made fishing more simple for me I'm not making it more difficult which is so important I think and I take that for my tournament fishing I end up you know before I've the worst tournaments I've had if I were thought it I have ended ended up you know doing something that I'm not very comfortable with it's too technical you know something that that it's a Kevin VanDam he's really good at throwing deep diving crankbaits I'm not gonna throw in a deep diving crankbaits but that Lake is known for winning with deep diving crankbaits if I try to do that I'm competing against somebody else not the fish so I just focus on my strengths and and the shows really maybe remember that because when I first started really doing well in tournaments I started making a name for myself that's what I was doing I was doing the things that I enjoyed to do the most and could do better than most anybody else I wasn't venturing off into you know unchartered territory as far as techniques and and fishing styles I was focusing on what I enjoyed to do and in the same thing with with the Sweetwater I've tried you know being under the gun and and trying you know techniques that Joey likes to throw you know they could drop shot or something like that and I can't throw a drop shot like Joey can and and maybe Joey can't throw a ChatterBait like I can so it's like you just got to fish your strengths and kind of keep it simple that's what I've kind of taken away from from filming Sweetwater and it has really helped me on the tournament trail hmm yeah well focusing on your strengths the strengths really you know I don't know the the more I learn about fishing the more I realize I really don't know much about fishing at all and I think that's the I think that's the educational cycle you get to a place where you feel like you really got this thing licked man you you know it man inside out and there are no tricks that you don't know and the next thing you know something happens and you realize holy moly I don't really know anything about this like yeah I'm gonna have to rethink everything and so as I've gotten a little bit older and certainly have more and more experience I realized man I don't know that I know anything about about fishing and there's a tremendous amount of different ways that you can get to the same result of catching the fish yes you can do it from you know like you're saying like Joey does and what you do you could never convince me that you two guys or guys like Scott Walker and Steve Roger or guys like me and rich that well certainly not not not you and Joey no I'm not I'm not an expert bass fisherman but I've fished around you guys and fish with you guys enough to know both of you can handle a rod very well mm-hmm so you would have a hard time convincing me that Joey can't throw a ChatterBait like you or you can't throw a drop shot like him to me what it boils down to is you don't have the confidence in the drop shot like he does he doesn't have the confidence in the ChatterBait like you do so you're gonna fish it differently it's harder stick with it longer yes and and and maybe maybe okay well it's not working here I'm gonna slow it down I'm gonna get it deeper I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that with it because you have the confidence yeah it's not the rod skill it's not no it is it has nothing to do with technical skill it all it all it is is the fact that it's that very subtle differences in presentation is what makes or breaks a pattern or you know a bite yeah and and when it comes to building upon your strengths it's anybody can flip and pitch you know just as good as you know anybody else you know at the pro circuit everybody's pretty much and I even play them as field as far as technical skill but is it's it's all the mental game you know it's I've noticed a distinct difference in the way that I retrieve I'll use the ChatterBait as an example again Reva ChatterBait when I know I'm gonna get a button there's a distinct difference and and I'm getting the bite because I know I'm gonna get the bite it's kind of right you know but if if I don't have confidence in it I don't have the experience with you know how that that bait feels and what the fish are really you know focusing on as far as the retrieve goes then I'm probably not gonna do very good with it right well and like I say I think I think that a tremendous amount of that boils down to confidence how long you're willing to stick with it that if you're willing to stick with it longer you're learning those subtle those little things you are you are saying you know I've been through this before five more cash we'll see what happens where somebody else that doesn't have a confidence in it it's a new lure to them it's a new it's a new technique it's a new way of fishing that lure maybe they don't stick with it long enough to to get that one bump yeah to where oh if I slow it down yeah yeah I've got it is the same thing in saltwater it's the same thing with with different types of baits it's the same thing with with with all of that but it does boil down to the to the confidence and that's that's really so much of what fishing is and that is the one consistent thing that I have that I keep going back to as I as I say that you know I learn one thing and then I realize I don't know anything what I do know is that is that fishing is about confidence it's about being confident and yeah here and your in your technique in your surroundings in the area whatever it's about that and if you have that confidence you can make some amazing things happen yeah in some very poor poor conditions yeah I've I've my experience with confidence confidence is is it's a funny thing because I feel like sometimes the confidence is misused and it could be misused and it could be a negative furnace used copper Schieffer it was something when it's rinsed it well for instance a lot of people say they have a confidence color or a confidence bait when you put confidence in a object the you know like color or the actual bait you're limiting your potential you have to have confidence in your ability to choose that bait to choose that color and once you have that that confidence that's much more broad and that allows you to you know perform in in different different conditions that's how you properly use confidence but when you put it in something that that you know like like a certain little bait that you've caught a lot of fish on you know I've seen it time and time again the confidence baits that I used to have in the past would fail there in the tournament for whatever reason yeah I could see that I can see that in in not only just the bass that you're using and the techniques that you're using but also you know one of the common things in the Florida Keys were for God's to get on them a milk route where they fished this spot in this pot in this pot and the fishings no good fish in history right they just not fish is no good today did it you know they never got outside of their milk route they never yeah they never they never experienced something different and if they had maybe they would have seen something different but I was you know all of this stuff that you're talking about obviously comes from a tremendous amount of of experience in a lot of different Lakes yes so you lived in California for a little while now you're moving back to Florida where where do you find your confidence area is where where is the easiest place for you to fish Florida the Lord oh the easiest way Okeechobee because of of your college experience you went to college yeah or they went to UCF and man it took me a long time to figure out Florida I moved there specifically because if you look at the tournament trail the the tournaments always start in Florida in January or February it's like Louisiana for us and we had fish yes and hot spot yeah and the the the Tour Pros either hate Florida or they absolutely loved it and some of the biggest bombs that that people have like that's where the that's where the leaderboard really takes a hit is is Florida generally and so I was just like you know I need to figure that out because having good momentum starting the year it's really important so I need to go down there and learn Florida so I moved down there and I think the reason why I feels so comfortable in Florida it does I just I just got back from living in California for a few years and I got back to Florida and I jumped right back into it I mean I didn't miss a beat I've enjoyed myself and I've caught a lot of fish and cashed quite a few checks so far and and the reason for that is that I didn't go fishing with other people when I first moved in Florida it I didn't fish with my first person in Florida for until like the fourth year I was there mmm literally did not go fishing with anybody for four years I had a lot of really down you know days a lot of them I mean a ton I was I wasn't catching any big fish I wasn't doing good in any tournaments but then all of a sudden I started because of all my experience that I you know my experience not somebody on the back of the boats experience or another person's experience because I was that kind of loner kid that didn't know anybody I had these experiences so I could I could know the little intricacies of what was going on at that particular moment which is really important those little those little details you know that's why doc talk could be so dangerous because the how somebody else caught a fish there's something very very small but they did to catch that fish and so what I learned by just fishing by myself is I learned how to trust my own instincts and I'm a firm believer maybe I'm a little bit too holistic with my my thought process and in in fishing but I'm a big believer in instinctually angling going out there and just listening to your gut instinct and just kind of fishing that moment you build an instinct over time you don't you're not you're not grown with you know you're not born with it you grow it over time and you grow it by your own experiences period nobody else's experience so don't you think when you're saying that to somebody that is getting started in this frustrating those experiences of course it's frustrating but but as you build a wider base it's just like building a building you know yeah you can have a building that looks like a pyramid that's gonna stand the test of time wide base yeah you know and build up from there or you can it you can build a skyscraper over this very very thin on the bottom and what I mean by that and it's the same thing in salt water is you can either choose to build this instinct like you're talking about yeah through of a select few techniques and a select few lakes and a select few spots and salt well yeah or you can choose to build that instinct with a tremendous amount of techniques skills rods I know people that don't know how to fish with a spinning rod I don't think people that don't know that area well how to throw a a fly rod I know people that don't know how to throw a bait caster right all of them are tools to me like a golf bag i I want to be an expert with every single one yeah I want to be able to look at a bass fisherman's tackle box and say man catch redfish on that I catch tarpon on that I know how to fish this wow I wonder what they do with that I could probably if a bass well you didn't I'm sure I can find a fish and so I want to you be able to one or one of the things that would help me to develop that instinct and help me to do do better in the tournaments and as a fishing guide is to embrace all of the techniques to embrace all of the spots to learn all of the Florida Keys and you know what the only way to do that is to have the dry days to go out with the fly rod or go out with the the bait caster or the spinning rod if you're not familiar with spin casting or whatever the fairy rod whatever bass fishermen call it and and go out and try it yeah right and you've got to have the dry days you've got to have those days where you're not catching anything and it's really frustrating but if you embrace all of those techniques yeah I feel like you're building a wider base you have more experience to draw from yeah I I agree I I feel that you know when I was first learning I was absorbing everything I was I was taking all the magazine's I had a massive collection of it magazines my truck couldn't tell my my trailer specifically because of my magazine collection I actually had to leave it at one RV Resort so I could move it to another one I slept with my magazines pretty much and so I had all these books and these were talking about yeah uh Bassmaster yeah fish porn yeah and and so you know I absorbed all that and so I learned a lot of different techniques on everything I could if there was a new technique I learned it but the thing that I also learned over time that has really helped me is that there's some techniques that I need to pick and choose like there's there certain there's certain techniques that I'm beating a dead horse with hmm personally it's not my style I'm a I'm a shallow water power fisherman and I've learned to really embrace that and I tell you what I have way more you know checks when I do that then then when I don't you know yeah that's interesting and I guess if you were to if you were to see that that that's your strength and you were going to attack your weakness then the way to the way to do that which is something that you've already said that you did was you kind of afraid of Florida so you moved there yeah like so if you were to attack this weakness the way to do it would be to to move to a place or to to choose to fish a lake that didn't have the shallow water like you like to – you have to learn the deeper water and you and you you can do that and I've tried doing that and I'm gonna be kind of counter to I mean that everybody's different as far as as what they need in Britt but my my whole philosophy is that in sports and in anything great you know and any type of you know art or or anything you have to have a specific strength okay there's nobody that is just the best at everything okay you look at any sport and the the greatest in each sport it's not like you know Tom Brady's you know doing everything on that field he's really strong at something and that's you know what a team is about and when it comes to to fishing it's this it's the same exact thing there's you look at somebody like Kim man damn I'm not gonna throw down with him with deep diving crankbaits you look at somebody like oh shoot who would I was gonna say like ski Reese with a drop shot or something or it noted Aaron Martens with a drop shot ski right Reese is good with a draw shot but Aaron Martens is really good with it I'm not throwing down with that guy but when it comes to shallow water power fishing I'm not competing against those guys I'm competing against the fish because I am in my element that is my playground that's where I go to work for me that's that's kind of been the whole key to my success is like I had two years where I was doing terrible and it was because I was trying to embrace those other techniques and so you've got it what you've got to do is you've got to learn everything and then throw everything that you don't feel comfortable with kind of out the window or or or continue to really did you know there's a very famous Bruce Lee quote that it says almost exactly that yeah to embrace embrace every time that the punch I want I want to I want to what was it what do you say I want I want it I believe in the guy that they can that knows one punt or practices one punch a thousand times then well you know it was it was something to – those are really bad revolver quote different quote but there's something you shouldn't be afraid of the guy that knows 10,000 moves but the man yeah has practiced that's what it 1,000 times it was just certainly true in wrestling which is my domain there but in in in in this it was it was basically learn as much as you possibly can yeah keep what is useful throw away what's not yeah and and that was Bruce Lee's philosophy of you know he was the he was the first guy that you know Bruce Lee was was really the father of modern day UFC fighting because he at the time of Bruce Lee he was he was again that was contrary to so much of what was going on in martial arts you were either a Taekwondo guy or you were a judo guy or you were you know all of these different things and Bruce Lee was the first guy that said well look man there's there's something in judo that's really good yeah and wit people's ass with that and then over here this this has something that's really interesting yeah and you know Western boxing is is interesting for these reasons and I'm gonna absorb what's useful and I'm gonna throw away everything else and that's a that's a really good point and and one thing that I need to mention when it comes to this whole this whole topic is the fact that I'm not just I don't just fish shallow okay because I learned all these different techniques I also learned how to fish in clear water I learned techniques that I really felt confident in and and enjoyed fishing clearly will clear water deep water and shallow water in all different conditions so it's really important to not only become have a strength but also have strengths in each category is you know you can't you can't be the best at everything there's always gonna be somebody that's better at you and you need to make sure that you're not playing against somebody that's better at you then then you're better than you at something right I know because that's that's just in fishing I think that a lot of people overlook that but nobody's going to do something in in a professional sport you know like football or baseball they're not going to they're not going to do something that's somebody else that's standing right across from can do way better and they know it right so why would you get that honest you got to find a way and that's what you've done so when you're going I always think about being a bass fisherman and being a rodeo cowboy or professional wrestler as kind of as kind of a similar kind of deal like here you are in this one place and tournaments over pack it up move on so same kind of deal with with a with a rodeo cowboy you know they ride the rodeo they put their stuff up and get in the truck and they head to the next one yeah and there's a lot of time spent between one venue and the next and always kind of wonder like I I passed a lot of bass fishermen on the road and I always kind of wonder it seems like seems like kind of a solitary existence some people have somebody else in the truck with him but not not not many they're usually by themselves what do you do when you're when you're doing that much driving I make a lot of phone calls and I listen a lot of music in podcasts as of as of recently podcast have kind of taken over until I run out of data on my phone which happens within the first three days I also listen to a ton of podcast what what do you like school greatness is it really good ones house that one yeah that one's a really good one there's a lot of really cool stories on that I like some of the the murder mysteries yeah turn me on to hell though yeah like up and vanished really good one I don't know cereal was a good one yeah cereal was like the first one to kind of that was the catalyst for all these different murder mystery yeah podcast I loved I love cereal and and that really grabbed me and I was already a podcast listener but more of conversational still like what we're doing here yeah yeah talk but cereal was this obviously incredibly well researched the unbelievably well produced thing were they it was an art form man they they took this story and they took some general conversation by the narrator and then they then they insert these little pieces of interviews with a little bit of music here and there to tell the story it was that in its own was unbelievable it was just like it was way way told it was was was beyond question one of the greatest things to have listened to ever much better than TV because TV is taking I mean they they just had to paint such an intricate picture but you know the only thing that we could even begin to compare cereal to is making a murderer on that yes yeah so they did a very good job yeah they did a very good job it was kind of similar kind of thing where they tell a story through a narration then they bring in interviews they bring in pieces of film they bring in this and that and tell the story that in its own if it was a Hollywood movie you wouldn't believe it because the truth is stranger than fiction yeah and you know I love podcasts like that I listen to a ton of podcasts I like I like history ones I'm big fan of Joe Rogan's podcasts Lewis Howes I like some that are not well-known at all there was one that that I actually was on called wrestling with success and then it changed to success through failure yeah yeah and it's this guy Jim Harshaw he was a great collegiate wrestler and he tells these stories about how failure has really helped people to find their success obviously and that it that it wouldn't be possible without failure and therefore you should embrace failure right like well I think that's kind of what we're talking about about like it goes right in back in yeah about the fishing thing is that is that you've got to embrace failure you got to go places and you got a fish and and do things that don't work so that you know when it counts you know that's probably not gonna work out and know what you suck at yeah yeah but I like that I also do a lot of driving I Drive you know to Key West a lot you know around the state of Florida and and then you know follow my children around as they're doing their their athletic events whether it's wrestling or cheerleading or lacrosse so I'm all over the country too and the podcast has just really it is really revolutionized what I do that I used to listen to a lot of audiobooks so I do a lot of running and and long exercise and I've always listened to audio books I wish I had known this when I was in high school because man I am NOT a good reader I'm just not yeah I mean as a paper book you know I fall asleep after the first page you to I fires like and what I found is that man if I can be running and listening to something my retention of that material is about it's not like a little bit better yeah it's like ten thousand times better I remember quotes I can remember all this different stuff if I am doing some sort of moving and I'm able to listen to this yeah so driving is very similar if I'm driving and and I'm the only one in the car that's a big thing I'd be the only one there so I can adjust the the volume to where I want it and it's usually booming like an like a podcast is booming yeah really loud and I don't know man I just absorb it I find that that it makes the time passed really quickly have you ever listened to Dan Carlin's hardcore history no no I haven't listened that well if you're gonna drive to California you could make it probably just by stopping for gas by listening to Dan Carlin's blueprint for Armageddon oh man unbelievable I mean there's another guy that's a guy that he's as third as well it is but what he does is he tells stories about history that that you already know you studied in school and it was boring and then he finds a way to tell it in a way that it's captivating yeah yeah and and he he's he's like that because and he's turning out that kind of material because he's as passionate about that as you and I are about fishing mm-hmm and he finds this way to connect with the audience and finds its way to bring this story to life like you've never heard it before so you're listening to how World War one started and and you're like well you know I kind of remember tl world a little bit about world war 1 or world war 2 or Vietnam or or any any historical period of time he just finds a way to just tell it in such a way that's it's awesome but I'll have to check out these these mystery ones because I really like that like if they could leave you hanging a little bit yeah it gets some gas and you're like I can't wait to start the car up and get back in there I won't i won't i won't do another podcast that that hasn't ended already I need closure I can't I can't wait home like the next we would start I am I am the quintessential millennial Europe and when it comes to yeah I need to I need to know now what happens next well you wouldn't just skip to the last day no no but I mean I can't wait for the next episode they keep because they always tease you at the end of those those mysteries like they give you a little clip of a phone conversation that's so oh man yeah oh this is gonna be big I got it wait a week oh yeah that this new way of consuming stuff is you know binge watching on Netflix or listening to you know the entire season of cereal in in 13 hours straight is I find that again I retain the material better like yeah I have to wait a week yeah then even though they do a little pretty nice job right at the beginning I kind of catching you up to what happened on the last one I still find that it's it's more enjoyable for me to just you know do quite a few together yeah then the other thing is I find that like even like Lewis Howes or Joe Rogan or somebody I'll listen to two or three of their podcasts and you know they're long you know three hours long yeah I'll I'll give him a break they don't give them I'll put them down for a while and I'll go I'll move on to something else yeah and and then come back you know few weeks later listen to four or five three four or five whatever and and that keeps it fresh for me I like to do that but I've on my phone man I've got I've got ton let's see what else I got on here hi Clive was the one that they got me interested in in podcasts I started listening to that and oh dude I was hooked those guys are a hoot man yeah Oh Jocko will link do you know who he is now okay Jocko will link his Navy SEAL and he wrote this book called extreme ownership and oh yes problem I know best yeah I've ever read he has a Beretta there's now 64 episodes I'm looking on my phone that's one that I would highly recommend um let's see me look at my podcast I tried that social media marketing one that she told me about it was okay kind of lost me a little bit keep hammering Cameron Haynes very good I listen to a lot of on on what to eat and and working out and stuff found my fitness how about radio lab Evan listen to that one too man those are good those are good as far as fishing if you're into fly-fishing April Voki she does a fly-fishing one and she has some really really good guess on that dan Carlin's hardcore history Art of Manliness those keep me busy for the most part Radiolab Radiolab is another one that is that is incredibly well done very well produced it's not just conversation these are well written story yeah yeah and they they tell it in a way that it's that is really good I like that so do you think all bass fisherman are basically doing kind of the same thing when they're traveling from place to place like that yeah pretty much I mean I I would say I used to be really really like I could not I planned my my trip based on my my music but I guess that's kind of a confusing way to put it but I actually plan my music based on my trip like I would I know how I feel during a certain part of the trip so I'd actually set out my CDs like dude as soon as it turned dark I'd put on like a wish you were here Pink Floyd oh yeah put me right slow dude yeah the shine on you crazy diamond right when the sun's going down yeah is usually yeah it's a pretty pretty awesome feeling what is it what is it at 3 o'clock in the morning when you got a push lets everyone sit yeah Led Zeppelin and I started with rambling yeah so I actually has not what I choose I had a mix and but you know but that's if I just wake up if I have already been awake and I've been driving during that this is this is the time when you gotta push through man you're gonna rock the boat in at five probably three now probably to our tool like some tool yeah go with what the be the tenacious d tenacious dude that's actually that's actually what am i oh dude I I am all about tenacious e because it's one of the only albums that I can sing to beginning to end and it just wakes me up you can sing your lungs out oh yeah and you know it is it is always it is always on my phone and now the phones are different because you have like Spotify and stuff yeah but the album I've got on my phone right now I do too tribute yes the album is just the Tenacious D album yep 21 songs kielbasa one note tribute Wonder Boy ones that we might not say do inward singing Kyle quit the band the road cock push-ups Lee friendship test friendship karate schnitzel karate rock your socks drive-thru double-team city hall and you're there all of a sudden you're there yeah I know it's tonight that that album is actually I'm glad you brought that up because that if I am really really tired it usually goes you've played a right now just a little bit to the back end it's in the back you want even be able to tell oh yeah that's this will get you through right here painting that we do is to rock your socks off yeah see you know what's up I don't I don't wear socks but another one that's on the kind of the same level for me is Pink Floyd the wall Pink Floyd is my favorite band and but I can only play it during I have to honor it by playing it during certain times of the day when I'm in that mood yeah and I can't play it during the daytime like it's got to be like nighttime or dark outside oh this is this is something that I've noticed about about well my friends mostly so my friends are my friends consist of the most eclectic group of people that you would ever run into yeah if you were to line them all up against a wall so most of them there is one thing that that is consistent the constant of my friends they are passionate people sometimes they're creatives sometimes they are exceptionally good at what they do they might be a lawyer might be a doctor they might be a fisherman they might be whatever so with this group of people got workout guys I've got fishing guys I've got hunting guys and then I've got people that in my in my group of friends that don't even know that I fish for a living they they just don't they and then then a whole bunch of people that think I work out for a living but I at your house there's there's no way that I would have taken fishing for this place well no you had seen that room yeah but and then I have another room at another place but the one thing that holds true is each of these people has some wild-ass idiosyncrasies that make us all really weird here yeah like your your wanting to honor paint Floyd by playing them at a time of the day that's uh that's the interesting do you find that other bass fishermen are earth is as interested in their music well yeah I mean everybody's got their their own thing I I don't know if there is this this is something that I've thought should take off but it hasn't how come nobody listens to music on the boat I do on occasion but I honestly can't do it while I'm while I'm out therefore I can't if Jimmy hours a day can't you just put on some headphones or one Buffett Jimmy well the headphones are no no because you can our surroundings so you can't hear a fish jump or you know so on and so forth right that's that's why because you know you're taking those those audible and visual cues from you know your surroundings to help you build you that puzzle yeah and so it with music it kind of takes away from that interesting when I'm driving though when I'm driving my boat from location to location I crank that up and hmm it's interesting I love music I love listening to music I will sometimes drive for hours at a time in complete silence just give it a break you know or just think of time or maybe you find yourself getting off the phone and you put the phone down and the next thing you know you're like man I just drove for two hours completely silent so that does happen but you know I almost always have a stereo in my bow yes I'm sort now it's really easy just get speakers you got the sonic cup thing that yeah and we're gonna plug in your you just plug in your your iPod and next thing you know you're listening to whatever you want but you know when I listen to music hmm when I'm washing the boat yeah that's it when I'm working on tackle and I don't listen I don't listen man I don't listen to it when I'm fishing I don't listen to it when I'm driving the boat I don't listen to it any time at all because when I'm driving the boat I'm constantly listening for something to explode like everybody always I always think that at any second so yeah something's just gonna let loose and you know how here's many years we're just kind of driving along and you're like who was that noise yeah like it's just a different noise and you know yeah I'm 30 miles off shore like this is not good like what is that noise it should I turn around now yeah like you know and so then you know it's just a water bottle rolling right at the floor or I have this area it's my client making this funny sound with his mouth it's like it have a plate could you please stop that I'm super nervous but I don't because you miss all of that stuff you miss those opportunities where where you're hearing something might happen to the boat or you're you're you you just like you say you know you you see a fish jump or or hear something I never have gotten into listening to it but you know you you you got this whole pimp my boat thing and you got you know you're looking at the trucks did a lot of the bass fishermen are driving and a lot of the saltwater guys are driving – and you're thinking man that guy's probably got a rock and stereo on his boat which I some do yeah but I haven't seen anybody listen to the music yeah there I I actually I don't listen to it as much and there was like one turning point for me it so I bought this boat it was actually a Oakley big bass boat and I said I bought it after you know there when they were gonna give it back to nitro and I was just like I want it so I'll buy it and so the first tournament was on Okeechobee and and I was super excited because they had a really awesome Sony stereo system and nice big ol amp and in four speakers in it so you got really loud and so I'm making this run and I'm just amped up on life you know I'm running through these little narrow boat trails and stuff and on Okeechobee get out to this wide open space down on the North Shore area and I'm like I'm rocking out to like Alice in Chains and and then and I'm driving by all these guys and you know I would probably drove by like 20 guys just fishing in this open water area and then I sat down turn off the music and I realized how how quiet was and how much of a ruckus I made I felt like such a sharing that it was I I mean I was just like in the ever since I was just like man you know it's kind of it subconsciously you're just like you know I'm out here for nature yeah but you'd still think there'd be that bad boy you know the the bass fish I was that bad with at one time with the Glen Plake mohawk that just listen music super loud and yeah there's they exist shit they usually yeah they exist they're usually at the club level oh because they they want it they want to show off the the the big speakers and it but when you get I don't know and there's I'm not saying anything against you know club level guys but it's like I don't know I I don't see a whole lot of people really rocking out to it there's no place for ya really isn't yeah sometimes you see that launch ramp in the morning yeah like sometimes I'll I'll be rocking some tool pretty hardcore when I get the launch ramp I'm that guy yeah yeah every once a while not anymore I should turn somebody's going hey man it's your turn going in back in I can't yeah I guess you didn't hear me I mean see you yeah next thing you know you're like hey man how come you just cut in front of me yelling at you for 30 minutes you're listening to tool yeah it's a good excuse all right so you're here picking up a boat right yep brand new Phoenix 920 Pro X p man really stoked on it's got a Yamaha on it and I'm really excited about getting a Yamaha because I've been guiding in Alaska for 12 years during the summers and and we rely on Yamaha for our lives really you know when you're fishing in those really rough conditions you have to transition from you know one part of the the inside passage to the other in like ten foot waves which doesn't sound like a whole lot but they get pretty close together he's scary you know or he's not a groat is that they're like 23 footer 23 footer and how big are the waves the the there there I mean they can range up to 15 feet I've been in in 13 footers as the biggest I've been in but they are we've got tremendous tides is that is the problem so they get really wind in the time getting really close together again so it's not another mess you up it's nothing like rollers that you see out in open ocean but anyways yeah really excited about fishing out of that boat really thanks or Souls yeah so did you get a stereo in that thing yeah I've got the sonic hub nice yeah nice well we're gonna go pick that thing up tomorrow and then we'll check it out maybe we'll we'll do another one do another podcast on the on the new boat though that'd be sweet well that's cool well I think this has been good to catch up and been fun man we touched on a lot of different things sponsorship and getting started and weirdness and podcasts and Wow wild conversation but you know what that's really when I first started thinking about doing a podcast I would have these conversations with my friends fish and friends workout friends whatever and we're talking about all this crazy stuff and I'm thinking and this should be recorded I think people would like to know this stuff yeah I mean really when it when it especially about the sponsorship that's sad and people really read but I think that's if they anybody they should just fast forward to that yeah and then and then forget all this stuff about Pink Floyd and Tenacious D but if you don't know who Tenacious D is do yourself a favor check it out it's Jack Black and doing his finest work and Kyle Gass you have a give Kyle Gass well I would I was going there man you got there too quickly Kyle Gass who is also known for being an elf and many other things a man-child he is a man-child and you've met tom yes right yeah he actually pushed me in the face Swee cuz that's my wife and I were at the stage and and he like pushed me away so that he did touch yeah yeah just just just you know he was just joking sort of I guess I don't know I hope he was he was super cool after the show we got to hang out with did you see the movie where where you know they get ready to write the greatest song in the world yeah and then they forget to put her court that what would you say if I told you that I forgot to push record does record always push record anyway on that note we're gonna end this one so miles burghoff tell us how to tell us how to find you you can find me on all the social media platforms are the majority of them Facebook Instagram you can generally find me by at I've been in like miles Berghoff or miles sonar Berghoff on Instagram its sonar fishing on Twitter but my website is is sonar fishing comm and of course the the Sweetwater platforms same thing we're on all the major platforms and then we're also on a really cool other than the TV you know the portion you know we've got NBC Sports forstman's channel and you also have Sun Sports down in Florida we also are on something called Waypoint TV which I mean you guys know better than I do because you guys have really embraced it and that's an online streaming platform for for all fishing shows totally free it is so awesome and it's just it's like the Netflix of Netflix is actually the waypoint TV of movies yeah that's a good way to think of it yeah so you can find you can go to waypoint tvcom and check us out there all right all right well I'm sure buddy will all right miles my friend good talking with you and I look forward to picking up your new boat tomorrow and checking that out so we are out thank you guys later hey everybody thank you so much for listening to the show I hope you got something out of that got just a little bit of news we have started a weekly show that is designed to be up-to-the-minute videos of what's happening this week mostly in the Florida Keys but also in other places that we fish as well we'll be putting that out every week and the best way to find that is to subscribe to the YouTube channel YouTube / saltwater experience search saltwater experience on YouTube subscribe to that channel and you will get updates of when a new video is published I've also figured out how to put the podcast on YouTube finally a lot 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